Admissions through Management Quota in Colleges In Tamil Nadu

When I was seeking admissions for my son who did his schooling from a CBSE school, one thing was clear- that he would stand no chance in getting a seat into Anna University through the single window counselling for the branch he wanted in the top few colleges of Tamil Nadu.
This took me to exploring the college admissions done through management quota- and I thought I should share my knowledge to the parents who are surfing the net like I did.

These are mostly the Private colleges which are striving to out beat each other by various strategies.
I will cover the three colleges which I approached..
SSN
SVCE, Sriperambathur
RMK

SSN is very straight forward and very secretive. One needs to approach the office at Mylapore for the details. But the staff there are very co operative and answer all the questions raised, individually to each and every one. Nothing regarding admission through this quota is available on the website.
The institute admits students purely through merit in all its three categories: Sports/ NRI/ Others
The forms for the management quota is usually given after the final exams and the date of submission is after the results are announced. Students can apply under one of the above category only, meaning only one form per candidate is allowed.
After submission of the form, the call letter for counselling is intimated through post, only for the candidates selected from the lot and it is based on the merit list. However the college allots 5 marks as grace for students of CBSE. But this does not guarantee a seat in the college.
The counselling process is for a whole day at the college campus - with an online exam and a personal interview. It is done in 3 sessions for 2-3 days hence one will understand that the selection is done in a fair manner.
The results are however announced after 10 days which leaves many students enrolling in other deemed colleges where they have already paid the initial fee during the counselling and would have to pay the remaining amount which is partially refundable before the results announced.

SVCE - The process is very simple. A form has to be obtained during Jan/Feb and submitted before the said date. The information is passed telephonic ally about the date when the parent has to meet the management, this usually falls during the board exams, so we can keep the whole process a hush hush from our children. The slot for the meeting is based on the branch one is seeking for and the marks the student obtained during the 10th exams. The rest is like a usual management seat quota where one is told about the amount to be made through cheque to a given organisation, etc..
The amount varies from branch to branch and its a no installment no deduction basis. Once the payment is done in full the seat is confirmed irrespective of the marks obtained by the student in the boards , only a pass certificate is needed.

RMK - Though I did not personally approach this institution, the process was similar with the payment of the amount to seek admission. Both these colleges wanted the payment to be made before the announcement of the results which put many parents in a fix. One is not given the option to back out even if the child fairs good in other entrance test, and there is no refund of the money once paid... and the amount is nothing small.

Hope it was of some use...

Happy admission seeking...
I stood confused and muddled up last year..
Now its your turn..

The TNEA Stats

With the results of all the board been declared the below table is  a summary of what the students of different boards can analyse when seeking admission into colleges through the single window counselling of the state counselling board for admissions into Anna University colleges in Tamil Nadu Tamilnadu Engineering Cut-off Mark Trend Analysis 2005 - 2012 Mat. Phy. Che. (MPC) Cut-off marks Difference in 1 Mark 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 200 192 3 22 36 44 31 120 35 199-199.25 1325 95 282 631 707 578 1042 688 198 - 198.25 1815 235 436 907 1117 1045 1522 1198 197 - 197.25 1915 336 585 1117 1374 1216 1547 1596 196 - 196.25 1828 446 700 1133 1417 1392 1553 1683 195 - 195.25 1760 520 798 1166 1496 1390 1624 1726 195 - 200 8835 1635 2823 4990 6155 5652 7408 6926

This years CBSE topper Sanjay Ganapathy of Bhavans School, Chennai secured centum in Mathematics and Physics, 97 in Chemistry, 98 in computer Science and 95 in English which makes his cutoff at 198.5/200 for the Tamil Nadu Engineering counselling, but as he has cleared the IITJEE with a rank of 194 prefers to join IIT M. A wise decision indeed as he would be getting a rank of 900-1000 in the TNEA rank list.

More over the state counselling is tentatively to commence on the 13 July'12 this year and by which time the NITs , deemed colleges and IITs would have finished their counselling. This clearly states that the Tamil Nadu state prefers the students who were left behind in the race from CBSE boards to seek admission in their colleges.
The state has about 550 odd colleges for BE/B Tech and every year thousands of seats remain vacant. Last year about 40000 seats were unoccupied and this year it is estimated that about 25000 seats will go vacant. Wonder why the state is yielding to quantity over quality in graduating engineers ? instead would'nt it be wiser to close down a few colleges and provide quality professionals.. to our country.

Merits and Demerits Of Deemed Colleges

Like many parents, I too am pretty confused about admissions into deemed colleges. The main criteria  while choosing a good college  (apart from recognition by the UGC/AICTE)... are

1. Faculty

2. Infrastructure

3. Placements,
and I found all these in some of the deemed colleges in Tamil Nadu.

But it made me wonder .. why then do parents prefer to admit their children in Anna Univ Recognized college rather than the deemed colleges,  by paying  hefty one time capitation for management seats, when most of the state colleges lack the basic infrastructure, like a good library to a decent auditorium?...

The answer I got from many was "that the students from the deemed colleges when applying for higher education abroad are at a disadvantage over the Anna Univ colleges."

But, these deemed colleges are accredited by ABET USA which the other colleges lack ... and I have met a few alumni/students from these deemed colleges who have gone abroad for their masters degree, few of them are pursuing a Semester Abroad Program in their last year of their B Tech degree.

With all these questions pondering.. I approached a friend who works as an educational counsellor with my question

 " What is the difference between deemed and the other state recognized colleges?"

Her answer was..

1. The deemed colleges follow a method of Grade Point System using credits in their semester for assessing  students , whereas the state colleges follow the examination pattern, with the end semester paper from the Anna University.

2. The student needs to perform well in all the fields, from co curricular activity to project works to cycle tests and semester exams where the credits are marked accordingly and a final GP is arrived at the end of the semester. Whereas in state colleges only the end semester exam results are taken into consideration, which means the child need not participate in any activity, and just the scores in the examination is going to fetch him a good result.

3. When applying for higher education the colleges abroad assess the marks/credit equivalent  along with the GRE/GMAT scores. Hence to get a high credit in the deemed colleges the student has to be consistent throughout the semesters in all the activities of the college, whereas the state college student need not worry about all the co curricular activities and just be academic oriented.

4. When applying for the Class A colleges abroad the deemed colleges are not in the list of colleges in the world ranking, whereas  The Anna University stamped certificate holds a better  in these colleges though they too dont feature in the top colleges in the world. (IIT Bombay, Delhi is the only college ranked within the top 100 colleges in the world)
5. The student gets a BE Degree from a state college whereas the degree awarded to the deemed colleges is B Tech. 

This summed up to - the student has to attain a good rank in his GRE/GMAT scores as well as his marks from the state colleges when applying for the Class A colleges.

And I wondered-,whether the overall development or just securing marks was important in the long run for a student graduating as an engineer ?

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My friend just smiled.. 

so I asked her with much curiosity ..... in which college she would prefer admiting her son,

she smiled again and said ANNA UNIVERSITY COLLEGES.. "I would'nt want my son to loose out on the little chance if ever he wants and qualifies to pursue his education in Class A colleges abroad".

But even the students from IIT and NITs do not qualify for an admission from these colleges ? was my next query...and she smiled wider (which only confirmed that she indeed was a good counselor).

I am still confused.. 

the only option I had was to apply for all the colleges and see how my son fairs and leave the option open to select the college and branch he finds himself eligible in the end....

CBSE Students Lag Behind In Tamil Nadu Counselling

A state which was known as the hub for producing brilliant engineers has gifted few of its brilliant students to its neighboring states towards their graduation in the field of engineering. This section of my blog will post links and my views on the downfall of the education system  in Tamil Nadu. Comments and opinions on this post is most welcome.

With both political parties not favoring the common entrance exam in the state, stating its reason as setting an equal platform for the students both in rural and urban areas, has resulted in discriminating the CBSE and ICSE students from entering the arena of Anna University Colleges. The government fails to note that option for these students who have selected the different boards other than the state board is mainly due to their parents serving in Central Government jobs and have to keep up with the common syllabus when being transferred from one place to the other, sometimes even in the midst of the academic sessions. Apart from the disrupted school years due to transfers of their parents these students have to stoop to the only option of seeking admissions in the Deemed colleges as most of them have an entrance exam which these children clear comfortably or  pay hefty amount for management seats in the state Pvt colleges, if they wish to pursue their education in Tamil Nadu. The only advantage they face is to have an edge in the competitive exams of IITJEE and AIEEE as they are more well versed with the concepts and fundamentals of the subjects and do well in these exams. Sad to say that a child clearing these competitive exams with a good rank finds her/his name at the bottom of the list at the State's single window counselling system  and is offered a college without reputed status in some remote corner of the state. Few of these students move to other states competing in their entrances and find a seat in a good college and graduate as engineers from the  neighboring states.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article3391295.ece

Deemed Colleges Vs NIT-Trichy

The link below by The Hindu discusses why Tamil Nadu state students do not obtain a seat in NIT- Trichy which holds 50% seats as state quota.
The main reason apart from the facts discussed in the article is the delay in announcing the results of AIEEE   leaving the students to join deemed universities over NIT in spite of qualifying with a decent score in the AIEEE. (for instance this year the deemed colleges ask the candidate to pay the full fees much before the NITs announce their counselling list, and a particulat college starts its academic session even before the date of NITs first counselling, which leaves many continuing in the deemed college as there is no refund of fee after the commencement of classes).

Dates Of Counselling By Deemed Colleges

VIT - 30000/ at the time of counselling ( 14th to 19th May) 10000/ non refundable
The remaining of 93000/ before 18th June
The college reopens on 4th of July (10000/ + special fee + admission fee non refundable within one month of commencement of classes)

SRM - 75000/ at the time of counselling ( 12th to 18th June) 1000/ non refundable
The rest 75000/ + special fee + admn fee  before 30th June

AMRITA -  30000/ to be paid at the time of counselling (4th June to 10th June) 1000/ non refundable
                  The rest to be paid within 10 days from the date of counselling.

ANNOUNCEMENT OF AIEEE RESULTS ON OR BEFORE 15th JUNE 2012
FIRST ROUND COUNSELLING - 28th June TO 2nd  July
SECOND ROUND                        - 6th  TO 10th July

The Hindu : Education : AIEEE: Tamil Nadu needs to shape up for better results